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		<title>By: greg cole</title>
		<link>http://xebidy.com/the-dumbing-down-of-travel-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-7038</link>
		<dc:creator>greg cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once heard a writer asked &quot;why did you write such a long story?&quot; He answered that he didn&#039;t have time to write a short one. I think the point is made that short pieces in the right hands take a lot of time and skill to craft. The longer articles I&#039;ve read on Dans site lose me in the first couple of paragraphs as the writers struggle to drag me in. So I think the longer articles that Dan applauds, such as Bruce T&#039;s, are quite painful, whereas the short and punchy articles are great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once heard a writer asked &#8220;why did you write such a long story?&#8221; He answered that he didn&#8217;t have time to write a short one. I think the point is made that short pieces in the right hands take a lot of time and skill to craft. The longer articles I&#8217;ve read on Dans site lose me in the first couple of paragraphs as the writers struggle to drag me in. So I think the longer articles that Dan applauds, such as Bruce T&#8217;s, are quite painful, whereas the short and punchy articles are great.</p>
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		<title>By: Wanderluster</title>
		<link>http://xebidy.com/the-dumbing-down-of-travel-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-6490</link>
		<dc:creator>Wanderluster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Troy. Lists are NOT travel writing.

However, they do have their place - particularly for newbie travelers looking for info about a specific topic. And there&#039;s nothing wrong with that. My site includes Tips (bulleted lists) and travel writing but most people click on the tips off of the home page because they want bite-sized information and inspiration.

There&#039;s nothing dumbed down about this - it&#039;s just the chopping up of books (or book-like) into material that can be read in small chunks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Troy. Lists are NOT travel writing.</p>
<p>However, they do have their place &#8211; particularly for newbie travelers looking for info about a specific topic. And there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that. My site includes Tips (bulleted lists) and travel writing but most people click on the tips off of the home page because they want bite-sized information and inspiration.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing dumbed down about this &#8211; it&#8217;s just the chopping up of books (or book-like) into material that can be read in small chunks.</p>
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		<title>By: David Whitley</title>
		<link>http://xebidy.com/the-dumbing-down-of-travel-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-6280</link>
		<dc:creator>David Whitley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, hands up. I&#039;m one of those writers that ends up churning out the lists (and for the site that Daniel Scott is almost certainly talking about).

Can&#039;t say they&#039;re ever the pieces I&#039;m most proud of, but there is a certain skill in them. It&#039;s the idea that counts, and the ability to link 5/ 10 places by a theme. It&#039;s not in-depth, it&#039;s not &#039;proper travel writing&#039;, but it does attract eyeballs. And that&#039;s what websites rely on.

I do think it&#039;s a little snobbish to say that there isn&#039;t a place for such pieces, although I&#039;d personally prefer to read (and write) a proper, well-crafted 1,500 word story.

I think of them as inspiration pieces - they&#039;re for the armchair reader that probably won&#039;t go to one of the world&#039;s wierdest restaurants or most dangerous beaches (etc), but they&#039;re interested in knowing that they exist. They&#039;re not aimed at &#039;travellers&#039;. But they do a job for someone who wants something light and interesting to read - and there&#039;s no crime in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, hands up. I&#8217;m one of those writers that ends up churning out the lists (and for the site that Daniel Scott is almost certainly talking about).</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t say they&#8217;re ever the pieces I&#8217;m most proud of, but there is a certain skill in them. It&#8217;s the idea that counts, and the ability to link 5/ 10 places by a theme. It&#8217;s not in-depth, it&#8217;s not &#8216;proper travel writing&#8217;, but it does attract eyeballs. And that&#8217;s what websites rely on.</p>
<p>I do think it&#8217;s a little snobbish to say that there isn&#8217;t a place for such pieces, although I&#8217;d personally prefer to read (and write) a proper, well-crafted 1,500 word story.</p>
<p>I think of them as inspiration pieces &#8211; they&#8217;re for the armchair reader that probably won&#8217;t go to one of the world&#8217;s wierdest restaurants or most dangerous beaches (etc), but they&#8217;re interested in knowing that they exist. They&#8217;re not aimed at &#8216;travellers&#8217;. But they do a job for someone who wants something light and interesting to read &#8211; and there&#8217;s no crime in that.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://xebidy.com/the-dumbing-down-of-travel-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-6275</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Granted, the lists are popular and do generate traffic, but can they really be called &#039;travel writing&#039;? How does a mindless post about 10 ways to get the shoes you always wanted into your pack rank with a classic travelogue (print or online). Does the fact that someone actually has to scroll make a travel piece unsellable? I wrote a&lt;a href=&quot;http://nonotfar.blogspot.com/2009/06/no-top-6-lists-here.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; about it comparing a recent piece by Christopher Hitchens on a trip to the new Acropolis museum with top 6 pieces, no comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted, the lists are popular and do generate traffic, but can they really be called &#8216;travel writing&#8217;? How does a mindless post about 10 ways to get the shoes you always wanted into your pack rank with a classic travelogue (print or online). Does the fact that someone actually has to scroll make a travel piece unsellable? I wrote a<a href="http://nonotfar.blogspot.com/2009/06/no-top-6-lists-here.html" rel="nofollow">post</a> about it comparing a recent piece by Christopher Hitchens on a trip to the new Acropolis museum with top 6 pieces, no comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://xebidy.com/the-dumbing-down-of-travel-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-6273</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re also going through what I call the &quot;lists vs. content&quot; issue on Indie Travel Podcast. We focus on video and audio shows which generate a strong following, but it is articles that drive social media traffic, especially the stumbleupon crowd which, being tech-savvy, often converts into new listeners. 

We&#039;re looking to build a quality travel brand in the long term, focussing on new media publishing. It can be hard to avoid quick wins, especially when advertising budgets are tight, but we&#039;re aiming for consistent quality (and hoping to keep finding it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re also going through what I call the &#8220;lists vs. content&#8221; issue on Indie Travel Podcast. We focus on video and audio shows which generate a strong following, but it is articles that drive social media traffic, especially the stumbleupon crowd which, being tech-savvy, often converts into new listeners. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re looking to build a quality travel brand in the long term, focussing on new media publishing. It can be hard to avoid quick wins, especially when advertising budgets are tight, but we&#8217;re aiming for consistent quality (and hoping to keep finding it).</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry Ott</title>
		<link>http://xebidy.com/the-dumbing-down-of-travel-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-6270</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherry Ott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the truthful commentary.  I&#039;m an avid traveler and I have to admit - I&#039;m sick of lists.  Unfortunately though as a society people are so busy that they only skim - I call it Hurry Sickness.  It&#039;s kind of like reading the cliff notes in a way.  So I guess the real challenge is writing good content to really grabe the readers attention.  I like to live by the motto - &quot;if you build it, they will come.&quot;  Hopefully I can build it really well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the truthful commentary.  I&#8217;m an avid traveler and I have to admit &#8211; I&#8217;m sick of lists.  Unfortunately though as a society people are so busy that they only skim &#8211; I call it Hurry Sickness.  It&#8217;s kind of like reading the cliff notes in a way.  So I guess the real challenge is writing good content to really grabe the readers attention.  I like to live by the motto &#8211; &#8220;if you build it, they will come.&#8221;  Hopefully I can build it really well!</p>
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		<title>By: Janet McGarry</title>
		<link>http://xebidy.com/the-dumbing-down-of-travel-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-6269</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet McGarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stuart - longtime. I&#039;ve printed quite a few writers&#039; first pieces - hope you guys will all look after me in my old age!!! 
The great thing about this and the Thumbrella debate has been that it&#039;s stirred me to search the web more for quality, and I&#039;ll try to put those sites in front of our readers in a future issue...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stuart &#8211; longtime. I&#8217;ve printed quite a few writers&#8217; first pieces &#8211; hope you guys will all look after me in my old age!!!<br />
The great thing about this and the Thumbrella debate has been that it&#8217;s stirred me to search the web more for quality, and I&#8217;ll try to put those sites in front of our readers in a future issue&#8230;</p>
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